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• gamedeal user

  Oct 7, 2021

  Surviving Mars didn't deserve a DLC like this. Paradox would be better off shutting it down and refunding the money spent. Mining asteroids is not useful for anything, and building underground is clunky and not even funny. There were so many easier ways of improving this already awesome game, such as colonies relationships, commerce, more interactions, even something as simple as enlarging the maps. But yet, they came up with "this". Totally not worth in my opinion.
• gamedeal user

  Oct 19, 2021

  I have spend some 600+ hours in surviving mars. I love the game, but it has its problems, and those problems, are exacerbated by this expansion. The many bugs introduced with this expansion has made the gamexperience even worse. I do NOT reccomend this expansion, and i will list my reasons below. First, i just want to make it clear, that the original game, has problems too, related to gamebalance and endgame. The first 100-150 sols, is amazing, but after that, the game balance gets broken. I think it is fair to simply list all the negative problems i experience with the game, as i am sure that is why you read this. 1) This expansion will break the already broken gameblance even more with the recon center. The recon center, throws you random cash often in the 2 billion - 5 billion range. Its overpowered and there is nothing to spend it on. 2) The many bugs and problems makes for a bad gamexperience. Some of the gamebreaking bugs have been patched, but it is still in need of improvements. 3) The expansion content is okay for a onetime playtrough, but there is absolutely no reason to visit the asteriods or the underground. There are no new resources that will aid you on the surface, and the only new resource you get, is exotic minerals, that only allows you to build domes and support structures underground. There is no other use for them, and you will get all the resources you could ever want from the surface and from the wonders. 4) The elevator that brings you to the underground, is extremely micromanage intensive. It does not share power, oxygen and water from the surface. I just wish it was functioning like a tunnel. 5) The wonders you discover underground is buggy and meaningless. One wonder gives you research, if you complete the wonder, build a dome, and send in colonists to operate it. By the time you can do it, you can expand faster, cheaper and avoid the micromanage aspect entirely, by doing this on the surface. There is just no point. The other wonder, is basically a dronehub that allows control in the entire underground, but its buggy and not working properly. The last wonder is essentially lighting up a very large area. - This is by far the worst expansion i have ever gotten. Not worth your money, unless you are comfortable spending it for a onetime playtrough. I cant see any reason why you would bother with it ever again as its stands today. This expansion needs alot of work to come good. There needs to be a reason, to expand into the underground and visit the asteriods. There is currently no such reason. I wish they would add even more uniqe resources that you can only get from the underground and asteriods, to use it on developing the surface and terraform the planet. But first, they MUST rebalance the game. - After the first 100-150 sols, colonists become useless and a burden to deal with. The wonders as so unbalanced, that you get a ton of cash, alot more than you can handle. There is no reason to expand, because there is no need for colonists. You get way too much resources, research and cash. You are flying trough the research tree, and once complete, you only do cash giving repeatable techs. - Seniors are a huge problem aswell, and you need to create domes just for them. They cant do anything and become a burden on your colony, because its hard to force them out with the filters. So they end up taking housing space inside a production dome, and reducing the efficiency of the dome. This add micromanagement and it becomes tedious. - I just dont see a way forward for this game, if they dont tackle the balance issues. The game is fantastic earlygame, beautiful graphics. Love it. But endgame is terrible, and its poor gamedesign to make colonists useless as you progress. STAY AWAY FROM THIS CASH GRAB EXPANSION.
• gamedeal user

  Dec 25, 2021

  Even if we discount the bugs (Which some have been fixed since launch, credit where credit is due; but some of them linger, like the game freezing when trying to move colonists between the underground and the surface), this is the prime example of an idea that should have never left the drawing board. This DLC adds two new "areas": The underground, a sprawling web of tunnels and caves and the asteroids, very small maps geared toward resource extraction on a time limit. The main component is the underground, which requires a new resource (Exotic minerals) which can only be obtained in the asteroids; so there's the justification for asteroid mining. The Mars-sized elephant in the room is...why should people even bother to settle the underground to begin with? 1) Space is incredibly limited compared to the surface. 2) Logistics between underground and surface are a bother at best and an absolute drag at the worst. 3) Building pretty much anything requires a very hard to obtain resource which requires further planning and puts another bottleneck on any kind of growth. 4) Your colonists get penalties to morale and sanity while living underground which can only be partially negated through a relatively late game tech or a background that literally only helps with that (So you have to forgo better advantages). 5) You can only build the equivalent of medium-sized domes and below (Which are already a pain to set due to the space limitations), which means a soft cap on population, and a pretty low one at that. 6) You're further limited by not being able to build anything that relies on solar power or wind (Not only power generators, but things like farms as well) The only purported advantage there is the resources are more abundant packed tighter compared to the surface (Which never was that much of an issue, unless you're playing with minimal resources) and that there are no risk of disasters like meteors, dust storms and the like, which would be fine if...uh...we didn't have a DLC that gives you late game projects to negate all these disasters with way less hassle already (Green Mars). Also, there's the pretty significant issue that you're basically now playing three separate instances of the same game at once (Surface, Underground and 1-3 asteroids), which do not share the same resources and getting things from one to the other can be a bit clunky at best. Having to babysit 3-5 different maps is really a chore and turned a fun game into a drag. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to patch these issues around, since they are baked into the design. The only possible way it could be made into somewhat remotely enjoyable is including an additional mode with a specific "Mystery", in which the surface of Mars is going to be rendered uninhabitable for whatever reason in X amount of time, and the only alternative is to develop a new colony in the underground of Mars, with all the issues it entails; but as it stands, once I get the achievements, I'm toggling off Below and Beyond moving forward.
• gamedeal user

  Jan 5, 2022

  I tried really hard to like this one, but there is nothing about this DLC that is fun, or at least giving a bonus which is actually needed. To explain, there are 3 new major features: 1. Asteroids You are allowed to invest money, colonists and resources to harvest resources you could also harvest on Mars, but you don't as you're not in need to do so. It's not offering a different playstyle or closing a gap as the starting effort is quite high, the results are medium/low and undesirable. 2. Underground Auto-Mode doesn't work for your discoverer as you need to maneuver manually through every inch of the caves to find anomalies. Anomalies which are rarely giving a bonus worth noticing. Colonies underground are barely viable, nor beneficial. If you want a boring challenge without a reward, this one is for you. 3. Exotic material Everything you can to with these is either a hassle, completely useless or breaking other game mechanics. Nobody needs an expensive buff for solar panels, and upgrading drone hubs on a map wide scale is taking more away than adding to the game. Conclusion: This is very very bad. Nothing of the DLC is enjoyable. Anything is mostly annoying and grindy, as it repeats after the first 1-2 minutes. Nothing of the DLC is giving new options. Every feature is locked behind some initial effort and is mostly useless. Even if you try hard to use them, you cannot utilise them properly. Nothing of the DLC is adding new content. Except for some new fluff texts. After a first map you don't need, you get another map you don't need which even needs more maintenance than the other.
• gamedeal user

  Jan 7, 2022

  I have over 300 hours logged on Surviving Mars and have been playing it off and on for several years now. I have enjoyed the challenge the great community mods and content released for it so far. Then Below and Beyond came out. I seriously regret this purchase. I have never.. never had the game freeze on me. The moment I start placing people underground, it crashes. I tried backing up and trying something different. Same thing. I had a completely prepared underground city run by nothing but drones but the moment I tell people to move into the dome. Crash and burn. I really hope they fix this content.
• gamedeal user

  Jan 8, 2022

  This DLC is still in a horrible state in Jan 2022 after a load of patches. What you can expect: -Random crashes -Forced micro management on asteroid missions -More micro management on underground -Half the breakthrough techs are moved underground and are tedious to get -Impossible to sustain an underground base as you need exotic minerals for maintenance and you only get those by microing asteroid mining -Underground wonders are a lot of work for very meh rewards -Unintuitive and badly explained features -"Auto" features for elevator and asteroid rocket loading which work very poorly -The new stuff is not really all that useful or fun, the game is just better without this DLC To top it all off Paradox stated in an interview that they are now "happy with the state of the game". I actually like the base game but this DLC is just complete trash as it is now.
• gamedeal user

  Feb 9, 2022

  Let's leave aside the disastrous launch. Suviving Mars was a complete game. The terraforming expansion added end-game goals that were plausbile (but I didn't like the implementation). This one is a completely unnecessary tack-on expansion that contributes almost nothing to the base game. You have "Below" which is sill buggy. It allows you to house colonists underground. Why would you want to do that? No, seriously, if you can think of a good reason, let me know. So anyway, you know all of those surface drones that automatically distribute all of your resources to wherever you need them so your only worry is to make sure production is balanced? Well, you will need to manually control all transfers (such as FOOD) between surface and below. There's no way to fully automate logistics management. And you can't produce exotic metals, so if you do want to build underground (why?) then you have to go Beyond. So you have "Beyond" which is essentially a limited-time "mine everything and get out" event on a small map. It honestly felt more like busy work to me. Instead of building infrastructure that was improving my city and making citizens happier & wealthier, I was repeatedly extracting building and demolishing explictly temporary infrastructure just to get a few exotic materials. Once I realized that (1) the only real need for exotic materials was to support an underground base, and (2) I had no need or interest in an underground base I lost interest. My verdict: Get the base game. Consider green planet maybe. Skip this one.
• gamedeal user

  Apr 7, 2022

  I have played Surviving Mars half to death. Loved all the expansions. This one is awful and every second I waste writing about it is another second wasted. It adds nothing to your experience, adds more tech trees and expenses, and is extremely boring. Does absolutely nothing worth messing around with. Avoid at all costs.
• gamedeal user

  Apr 11, 2022

  This DLC is a huge waste of time. Most of the time you will ask why. Why should I go below or beyond? There is no advantage for me, it is more expensive, less and worse place to build, sanitary penalty, no place for rockets to land, need of building light and pillars while there is no advantage. And these pillars force you to go asteroids to collect exotic minerals. This takes us to another part of this DLC, to the beyond (asteroids). There isn’t any advantage other than unique exotic minerals which makes you build some buildings and extract those minerals before the asteroid leaves. There are also other resources but you can find them easily at Mars. So, it is pretty much useless and feels like it is a bit forced. And there are some huge bugs like crash bug (game crashing while you are trying to leave an asteroid with a rocket). Plus, there can be some research areas where you can’t land, even though they are required for a mission. Elevators (I have to check internet for the holes which you can build elevators; there is no indicator and you have to scan the whole map to find it, if you know how they look.) and rockets are designed really badly too. You have to micro manage everything, especially when you are using multiple rockets. Lastly, there is a new tree, again with nothing important. To sum up, there is no reason to play this DLC, it adds more problems than its features.
• gamedeal user

  May 17, 2022

  I love most of Paradox games. I love Surviving Mars. I have almost a thousand hours playing this game. This DLC is broken. The asteroid mining seems to work fine but the underground doesn't. You can't build the elevator necessary to reach it. Unfortunately, I've had the game DLC for a long time but only now reached the point where I can expand to the underground so I didn't know this until now. No refund for me. There are posts on the Paradox sites going back to February 2022 with no fix and minimal response. This is unacceptable. How does a DLC get released when half of it is completely unplayable? Was there any play testing done at all? I strongly recommend you think twice before buying this DLC. Perhaps they'll fix it in the future but it's been 3 months now and they've managed to release other cosmetic DLC just recently instead of fixing this. Check on updates before you buy. Furthermore, to Paradox, I'll be a bit more careful and let the games and updates go for a few months before I give you any more money. Maybe I'm just getting old but I expect games I pay for to be complete when I buy them.