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• gamedeal user

  Nov 17, 2017

  More Casus Belli for everyone, more dynasty interactions for everyone and more silk road trade for everyone. The DLC store page doesn't list these very important aspects it only list the China thing which isn't the reason I purchased this. So if you arn't really intrested in the new China know that alot more stuff is going on not listed in the DLC page that you'll gain access to.
• gamedeal user

  Nov 17, 2017

  While the offscreen Chinese Empire won't change a lot of the world (unless you happen to enjoy playing on Eastern Iran, India or in the steppes, I guess), the QoL changes (such as deciding that you will decide to whom your family member will marry even if landed, more options when starting the game etc), expansion of the Silk Road and new CBs make this DLC a worthwhile purchase. I mean, the CBs alone, such as de jure duchy claims, are a godsend.
• gamedeal user

  Nov 17, 2017

  When leaving reviews I try to only focus on the product and not the manufacturer or the price. Is the product quality, and then evaluate for me personally wheather it was worth the $14.99 plsu tax that I padi for it. In the past I have read many reviews about the game being broken and Paradox having a knack for hiding fixes in DLCs instead of patching the core game. I thought this was kinda BS, because I hadn't noticed too much of this. Perhaps it is because I have all the expansion, I do not know. Well as it turns out, some features that once worked, and I've played so long without them that I forgot they were there have popped back up in this version. Marriage, several of the AI use to have the desire to get married as thier focus. For quite a while this has not been the case. I use to have to monitor my court closely to ensure they were getting married. Some characters that lived outside your court that were children or grandchildren of your would never get married or just not have children despite being married for 20 years and having fertile wives. It was as though half of your dynasty wasn't procreating each generation, and there was nothing I could do about it. Well with this DLC, I find my children getting married right away. I appointed my 2nd son to a mercenary band, he was instantaniously married, same day. They have added a new block to gain control over marriages, to include your vassals now. Before I had control over all the marriages except vassals, now I have to be explicit about it. My only guess is because they machanics of marriages are so over the top and poorly programmed that you have to stop each and every member of your court, before they run off and elope. This will get old fast, had hey just programmed it not so lazily the court members could have had a preference but not just ran off and eloped. Maybe asking me to bless thier marriage or something before immediately marrying. Now we have new CB, you can now have border disputes with with your neighbors. Of course at the expense of pissing off the Pope or the next 25 years. IIt is good that they added new reasons for war but at the same time I still can't press multiple claims with a kingdoms for multiple characters at the same time. I must go to war, wait 10 years then press a claim for a different one of my vassals, then wait 10 mroe years and do another territory within the kingdom. I realize that these expansions have to be difficult to make, ensuring new features do not break old features, but the amount that is charged, $15 for a 55MB DLC, that is likely sold to hundreds of thousands of people, making more than some games, they really could put the extra effort. The way some DLCs are packages you have to take all the features, many of which of have nothing to do with the DLCs supposedly core function in order to get a few that you dont want. Suppose for example I want to play with China, now I have to deal with the marriage function in order to have China too. I can't just deactivate one and get a feature that seems to have nothing to do with it to stay functioning. Now let's get to China. This is why people said they wanted it. I thought I had read that the map was suppose to increase in size. I double checked, if I did indeed read it, it is no longer stated. Perhaps this is on me. If you are under the same potential assumption, I would like to end it for you now, it does not. Now as far as interaction, I usually start in the 8th century when playing, so now I get to interact with China 400 -500 yrs before Marco Polo even took a trip there. Despite me being out of range for communicating with the middle east I can now do it with China. I can submit to thier will and do nothing much about it. I can't raid them, because they aren't on the map. They have somehow turned China into a mythological creature that you can speak or pray to but can't actually see or materialize. While I havent experienced all this expansion pack has to offer, I have very mixed feelings about it. I like having new CBs, I like having new portraits. I don't like people praising a company for not splitting up a DLC into two or three parts. It's like thanking a rapist for not tearing your @$$hole up while raping you. You screwed me buit you didnt screw me as bad as you could have so, thank you. I like being able to have more control over vassal marriages. I do not like having to explicitly forbid my children and vassal s from running off and eloping immediately upon turning 16. I do not like that China is almost godlike in nature that I can pay homage to it, speak to it despite it's distance, but can't actually see it other than a magic window that is shown in the third portrait of the store page. Who knows what other surprises await. For the time being instead of being motivated to play a new game or toy that one just purchased. I actually have a less of a desire to play the game now than I did before I bought the expansion.
• gamedeal user

  Nov 18, 2017

  1066开局，你能找到一个汉人佣兵团，名字翻译过来叫法外之徒，也就是水浒传英文译名的意思，团长是宋江，然后你能在团里找到三十六天罡和三个女的，就是顾大嫂扈三娘和孙二娘。有的人有对应的称号，基本是对的，比如及时雨宋江就叫the timely rain，玉麒麟卢俊义就叫the jade unicorn。属性也有迹可循，比如孙二娘有特性食人者特性，李逵是精神错乱。 怎么说，P社是好好看了看水浒传的。 Start in 1066, you can find a Chinese mercenary group, named the outlaws. It is the name of a very famous and well known Chinese novel about group of Chinese rebles. The story happened during 1000s, and it was written in 1300s. The leader of the gruop is Song Jiang, and you can also find the other 35 men and three women in that mercenary group, they are characters from that book, and Song Jiang is the leader of the rebles in the novel. Some people have their own nickname, and they are all correct. Like Song Jiang, people called him the Timely Rain in the story, and his title in ck2 is "the Timely Rain". And their own characteristics are also base on the story of the book. Like Sun Erniang, she killed travelers and sold their meat to customers, and in ck2 you can find she is a maneater. Pearl Sydenstricker Buck, the Nobel Prise winner, used to translate this book into English, and named after "All Men Are Brothers". And other translaters also translated the title to 'Water Margin" or "Outlaws of the Marsh".
• gamedeal user

  Nov 18, 2017

  I am really enjoying this expansion, but I have a few gripes First, I think there should be Tibetan and Chinese councillor models as I dislike having the horse lords councillors for Tibetans and then the Court Chaplain councillor model for the Taoists. I also think there should be a way to become leader of the Western Protectorate as a whole, with a system similar to the Republic but involves exams due to Confucian Bureaucracy not being a dynastic system. However, on the whole a good expansion. The Chinese off-map empire is a good system on the whole.
• gamedeal user

  Nov 19, 2017

  Well, as a Chinese player I would like to recommed this DLC to other players... From the simulation of colthes (and helmets) to the ruling system of Ancient Western Chinese provinces, I am sure the develop group has surely done a lot of research on Chinese history. Hope this DLC will bring more attention on ancient China. (Though it is a good DLC, the price... Oops, traditional Paradox style)
• gamedeal user

  Nov 20, 2017

  I am not really sure what was added for free and which parts were DLC, so I am going to talk about this patch as a whole. I really enjoy playing in Tibet, although it is not a region for a new player. - You can be raided by the hordes from the north. - Supply limit is low in certain regions at winter. - From my experiance the Sunni and Hindu religions quickly takeover a large amount of Tibet if left unchecked, - Then China's puppet can randomly declare war on people neighbouring the map to establish the Western Protectorate as either tributaries or an actual new country. - Also it borders the Silk Road which can be a valuable source of income, but raiding hordes can constantly destroy your outposts. Interactions with China are a bit iffy, personally I would have liked more events as the China system is mainly focused on a few things: - China please don't hurt me, please stop, please! - China I will pay you to stop looking at me. - China please go kill someone else, I don't want to be hurt anymore. - China gimme a character buff. - China make my generals OP so I can slap about my neighbours you slapped about. Although I did find it fun to send off my unsuspecting son to serve the Chineasse Emperor. Most Chinease popups just tell you about if China is in civil war, peace, unrest etc. You can go on Kow-tow to China to visit the Emperor but it just feels like a pilgrimage with the events slightly rewritten. The new music is really nice, relaxing, and appropiate. One of my favourite DLCs for the music that has been added. Not much else to say. Finally there are three new religions, if you have Jade Dragon you can play all 3, if not different DLCs unlock different ones. Mainly they are a mix between Paganism and Indian religions, overall they seem quite weak but they do have some pros. But i'll leave it up to you to look into that.
• gamedeal user

  Nov 20, 2017

  I played this expansion for some time. And after playing with all the gimicks it adds, It gets pretty boring easily. The first few times I saw those events about the "Dragon", I was pretty excited, but after seeing the same events time after time I got pretty bored. It's just so underwhelming. Only a few providences are added, and the new government type isn't even playable. I barely saw any toaist or confucion rulers or courtiers even though they are the new thing. And the handful of rulers that were taoist, they just had a feudal government so there wasn't any new playstyle. The tiny amount of new artwork was pretty dodgy, the new character models look rough and unpolished, though the new event images were pretty good. I loved the new artstyle for them. The new government type added was pretty interesting, IF ONLY IT WASN'T UNPLAYABLE. I swear to god paradox is probably going to make a mini dlc making the new government type playable somehow. I did have fun sending off people I hate as eunuchs to the emporer though. All in all, I feel ripped off but I did have the time of my life making all the rulers of india chinese through carefully planned imperial marriages and title giving.
• gamedeal user

  Dec 21, 2017

  If you like Rajas of India and Horse Lords and playing in the East, this polishes the East into a much better game adding the influence of China into the Game. If you are fully a Western player, I could see this not being all that much interest. I do recommend it if you like the Eastern game. Im one who does.
• gamedeal user

  Jan 27, 2018

  If you play an easten game, (think nomad, indian or tibet), this dlc is great, but if you play western, access to china all the way to the medaterain feels cheep and like you can just get free artifacts and generals for very little work with no risk of being invaded by china, which feels like the counterbalance. I'd like to see a mod that changes the range of chinas interaction, but for now, if playing a game that dives into the middle east, but stays well away from the china boarder, I'd turn this off.